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Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:34:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:Tor Norman wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now? Lets be honest we pay real money to get access to this space money. It has value.
Actually we pay money for access to the game. ISK is worthless. |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:47:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:To those posting that what happens in the Bonus Room does not constitute torture:
"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:
"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."
Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.
It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.
An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.
In Erotica1s Bonus Room torture itself is the MEANS whereby they accomplish their goal of, sooner or later, forcing the victim to leave the situation, at which point Erotica1 wins the Bonus Room. This is achieved by inflicting on the victim systemaric and deliberate acute psychological pain.
That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.
A Dev has been made to sing for his ship. But he did not suffer acute psychological pain in the process. It is evident from the recording, however that Sohkar and his wife, did.
"Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers"
I was not aware that singing, reading aloud, or writing heartfilled messages were demeaning ore humiliating. As I recall, many people chuckle or even burst into laughter many times during this process.
"An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name."
A poor analogy, this implies that the assets gained were not of free choice or will, which is never the case in a bonus room. Assets are willingly given.
In Erotica1s Bonus Room torture itself is the MEANS whereby they accomplish their goal of, sooner or later, forcing the victim to leave the situation, at which point Erotica1 wins the Bonus Room. This is achieved by inflicting on the victim systemaric and deliberate acute psychological pain.
That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.
Restating your thesis on the topic does not make it any more right.
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Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:52:00 -
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I'm offended. This is my main account and I can show proof to this fact. Not to mention that the only reason you disregard it is because I am right and you know it. |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:57:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Batelle wrote:Alp Khan wrote: Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.
But its not a violation of any rule in Eve. That is up for debate and is not a fact
Which rule would this violate then? |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:04:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:The will of the perpetrators is for the victim to leave the Bonus Room. That is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room. Since you're not getting this I'll try to make it simpler: I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face until you walk away from me. You stand still and take the punches to the face without moving. This is not torture. Threatening me with physical violence is a crime. Punching me in the face is a crime. Continuing to punch me in the face though I stand still is a crime. Try again. For elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219Torture is internationally pronounced illegal in almost every single jurisdiction on Earth. Any even superficial indication that torture might be occuring requires immediate investigation by all concerned parties and authorities.
Your ability to deny edvience played right in front of you, then parrot your own defeated argument for this long astounds me. |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 -
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Daeusvar wrote:Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.
CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one.
The EVE player base does not lose their proverbial **** over scammers. Not like this.
Erotica 1 is a vile, sociopathic piece of work and the allegations of coercion to provide naked pics of significant others should be passed on to the relevant authorities.
Goons, even you guys kicked him for being a creepy scum bag. Please provide what evidence you can to CCP of these allegations.
In game ramifications only are not enough, legal authorities need to be involved.
"I gave him all my space pixels"
Good Lord, call the police!! |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:[quote=Remiel Pollard] ---
I am quite convinced that you are taking us for a ruse cruise at this point. |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:25:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:It's not ad hominem if it's demonstrable. And it's not ad hominem if your arguments have been addressed. Which I've done. It is ad hominem. You apparently don't know the definition of the term. Just like how you didn't know the definitions of the terms "sadism" and "masochism" earlier. ad ho-+mi-+nem [ad hom-uh-nuhm -nem, ahdGÇÉ] Show IPA adjective 1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason. 2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
I'm still waiting for a reply to my original relpy to your argument. :3 |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:28:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I Riven I wrote:If I ask my daughter to sing and I give her a donut, but in the end I dont give here anything.
Is this mental abuse? Should I go to jail because of it?
Tell me about my wrong doings please. It depends, if it just once and between you and your daughter then of course not. How about if I offered my son some food and kept taking it away from him until he becomes very distressed, filmed it all and then posted it on youtube.. Then repeated this a number times and posted each clip, would that be okay with you? This is a poor analogy as the child has not given the food to the parent, and that the parent has an actual role of power over the child. Not to mention that a child is not able to comprehend the situation in it's fullest nor is a child mentally able to see the effect of their own actions. |

Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:42:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.
I implore you tro actually listen to thr recording as Jester has been proven to be heavily biased and lie. |
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Asuka Langley S
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:35:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:because if they're not going to get a bonus room, why would they give you their stuff? Why go to a bonus room after they give you their stuff?
It's like you've never read up on the bonus room or something. Or maybe you're just pushing that argument that's been defeated time and again by about a dozen different people. |
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